Tuesday, November 30, 2004

Bad Mood

I will not make a comment on your comments, It seems as we will go into an infinite loop to me. You believe in your news and I believe in what I see and live through. Any way this is my point of view and I respect all your points of views. but please some of you should write with a little respect with no need to use rude words.
To John from NZ I agree with Abu khaleel completely, he is a very good writer. Thank you for giving me his address.
if any one of you is interested, this is the address to his blog:
http://iraquna.blogspot.com/

I had a terrible day yesterday, one of my husband’s best friends was sick and yesterday discovered he had cancer in second stage, he is only 29 years and his wife is pregnant with their first child. A main problem is in medication, you can’t be sure to have your full doze in our hospitals, today there is a medication but tomorrow may be not, beside most of the good doctors left Iraq. he is thinking of leaving Iraq for therapy, he had only Jordan to go to, since only Jordan accept Iraqis without visa and most of our doctors are working their now. He is trying to go to London, his uncle is living there but he is not sure if they will give him visa or not, and if they give him they will not give his wife and he will have to travel alone.
I was so worried about him, I did not sleep even for a minute, thinking about him and his wife and the coming child, can he make it? or not. I was thinking if he get his cancer because of the weapons used or not? is it the cause of his illness or something else. I heard many new weapons have been used in this war for the first time, maybe we are the experimental fields for those weapons.
After Desert Storm, cancer increased very much in Iraq especially in the south because most of the battles were in the south. now things are more complicated, we have been in a battle for more than a year and I wonder how much chances we have to stay alive? we have many chances to die but how many to stay alive?
I remember after the second gulf war, we did not buy some vegetables that was planted in the south for a while, there were rumors that those vegetables were subjected to radioactive materials that came from the weapons used in the Gulf war, we were not sure, but we did not buy them, now if we did not buy vegetables we will not be able to eat anything.
I hope this war will stop to bring us sorrows, and side effects. We want to have little fun for a change. And don’t tell me to be patient, I’ve been patient for the last 24 years and I don’t know if I or my beloved family will make it till freedom or die before it. I have a very bad mood but I want to write, this makes me feel a little relaxed and just like I’m speaking with someone (may be hundreds!) and open my heart to you.
Thank you for listening.

271 Comments:

Blogger Jeff said...

Thank you, Rose. I'm really glad that when you want to talk, you come here. Because I want to listen! And so do a lot of others.

Jeff

12:02 AM  
Blogger MonicaR said...

Hi Rose. I am sorry to hear about your friend. A friend of mine - his nephew died from cancer at 23. It makes no sense and I have said a prayer for him, his wife and their baby on the way. I hope that he can get treatment.

I do know that the Gulf War I vets are having health problems and I think it was exposure to chemical weapons that Saddam Hussein used. I don't know if you remember (I'm sure you do) but we were using those patriot missiles to try to shoot the 'scuds' out of the sky before they hit our troop encampents in Kuwait. It didn't work very well and now we have many men and women with lots of health problems.

Can't say anything for comfort - only hang in there. That's all you can do in times like this.

7:04 AM  
Blogger Diogenes Of Pumpkintown said...

Rose --

I enjoy your blog. Keep up the good work.

Don't let all the ignorant bigots spewing hatred get you down. The existence of such people is nothing new in the world.

It's funny to read some of their comments, accusing you of being a victim of propaganda, when all the while they are chock full of belief in propaganda themselves.

If you don't mind, Rose, I would like to post a link to the Words of Iraq site - a site dedicated to gathering together lots of different points of view. It hosts daily updates from many different blogs having to do with Iraq, including yours. It is now offering a discussion forum for talking about those blogs and for discussing other aspects of the Iraq situation. It has a LOT of potential for providing a nexus for interaction of various viewpoints and information, hopefully to the betterment of us all.

Everyone is encouraged to come by and check it out. Right now, the membership is small, but that will change as more people become aware of it and join in the discussions.

http://www.wordsfromiraq.com/

8:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When I read about your husbands's friend, my first thought was, well, at least she can't blame this one on the Americans. Then I read the rest of the post.

9:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"After Desert Storm, cancer increased very much in Iraq especially in the south because most of the battles were in the south."

one wonders what your source for these nuggets of information. maybe that clown who was minister of information or whatever and kept denying the yanks had tanks in bagdad.

ditto : "I was thinking if he get his cancer because of the weapons used or not? I heard many new weapons have been used in this war for the first time, maybe we are the experimental fields for those weapons."

i am afraid you have to accept that these rumours are part and parcel of your society's dysfunctionalism. a well known (right wing) journalism called mark steyn travelled around the middle east and found intelligent professional people believing as fact things like mossad flew the planes into the twin towers or that the twin towers had not been destroyed, it was all done with smoke and mirrors to get people to hate arabs or that sadam hussien was a cia agent, etc, etc. his considered opinion was that most of the residents of the middle east were deranged. (we now hear the rumour that israel poisoned arafat. i am sure this will be accepted as fact before long).

you sound as if you are suffering from clinical depression, which is understandable. can you get suitable medication? one can buy stuff on the net, but i don't know if you have credit cards or courier services operating in iraq.

take it a day at a time, rose. it'll come good.

rudolf

10:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are very welcome, anytime.
Wanda

10:34 AM  
Blogger littlewhy said...

Yes, let us all treat Rose with some respect, shall we? She's a friend to us, and no friend to those thugs and terrorists.

I wish I had some way to make you feel better Rose.

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2:23 PM  
Blogger Diogenes Of Pumpkintown said...

Anonymous said...
"After Desert Storm, cancer increased very much in Iraq especially in the south because most of the battles were in the south."

"one wonders what your source for these nuggets of information. maybe that clown who was minister of information or whatever and kept denying the yanks had tanks in bagdad."

The ignorance is yours, anonymous. You should read up on "Depleted Uranium" ammo (such as used in tanks, etc) Though the US gov't officially denies it (of course -- as it did for years and years with such things as Agent Orange in previous wars), MANY scientists, including american ones -- are very concerned about the health after affects of these weapons which can spread radioactive dust all over the battlefields where they are used. MANY american soldiers, veterans of the first Gulf War afflicted with the mysterious illness called "Gulf War Syndrome", are suspicious that their symptoms were caused at least in part by exposure to DU ammo.

5:00 PM  
Blogger Diogenes Of Pumpkintown said...

This site offers articles and essays on the subject of DU ammo, what it is and the effects it has:

http://www.iacenter.org/depleted/mettoc.htm

5:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I heard recently that the Gulf War Syndrome (in troops from the first war) may actually be caused by something in the anthrax vaccine. This is not to say that the US did it on purpose to the troops. Whatever the cause, Gulf War Syndrome is real.

And so is increased cancer and birth defects in southern Iraq in the 1990's. It could be DU, and it could be some other environmental pollution, it could be due to increased stress.

My dad died of colon cancer in 1977. Just a couple of months ago, I had a vivid dream that it was something he was exposed to in the military in the Philippines in the early 1950's that caused it. Who knows??

Rose, I am sorry that your friend is so sick, and I am sorry that Iraq is in such a mess. It is this very outcome that inspired me to work to stop this war. I knew Saddam was a bad guy, I knew that the US military could crush anyone, I knew that Iraq had no WMDs nor was a threat to anyone. I am certain that this war was fought for the same reasons as any war: for power and control of people and resources so a very few could get very rich. And like all wars, the outcome would be a big pile of dead bodies, mostly innocent civilians. Today, Bush is claiming that he wants to bring "freedom and democracy" to Iraqis.... except that if the Iraqis tell the US to leave, that will not happen. How can Iraq have freedom if they cannot control who is on thier land?

All wars start with lies, always. And the ones who start the war are committing evil.

9:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sorry for your friend Rose! I just don't understand why everything gets blamed on the U.S. I'm still trying to figure out the WMD issue. Seems to me that anybody that kills as many people as Sadamm did with his gassing incident in the north certainly HAS and WILL use them. How can they say there was no WMD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

7:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

well diogenes of pumpkintown, you sure are are a cynic.

we don't have internet, radio or newspapers here where i'm writing from so i've never heard of depleted uranium.

i was just asking the wretched rose what was her source of info. i mean, sadam murdered so many hundreds of thousands of iraqis in southern iraq i was surprised that he might sponsor a report on the number of survivors who had died of cancer. and i would be surprised if he let others from outside iraq perform the task. he was so, how shall i say, independently minded.

but maybe he did and so i look forward to you pumpkintown people to wise me up.

kindest regards,

whoever

last time i scrolled back to see what name i'd posted under i lost my post.

12:36 PM  
Blogger Diogenes Of Pumpkintown said...

"I'm still trying to figure out the WMD issue. Seems to me that anybody that kills as many people as Sadamm did with his gassing incident in the north certainly HAS and WILL use them. How can they say there was no WMD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

It is a historical fact that Saddam Hussein at one time possessed and used chemical weapons. No one disputes that. That fact was well known by Western governments like the US way back in the 1980's, at the very time the US was actively supporting Saddam Hussein in the Iran/Iraq war.

However, after the Gulf War and the UN disarmament program was implemented against Iraq, his WMD were destroyed by the inspectors or decayed naturally over time into useless, inert matter.

Cleared up now?

2:18 PM  
Blogger Diogenes Of Pumpkintown said...

"well diogenes of pumpkintown, you sure are are a cynic."

"we don't have internet, radio or newspapers here where i'm writing from so i've never heard of depleted uranium."

I don't consider facing the truth to be "cynical", rather just intellectually honest.

Your comment about not having internet access is a very strange thing to post on an internet forum. Was that some sort of sarcastic joke?

Contrary to what you imply, Iraq was NOT a society closed to westerners under Saddam Hussein. On the contrary, westerners could and did go to Iraq for various purposes. Margaret Hassan is perhaps nowadays the most famous example of such a person, living safely in the Iraq of Saddam Hussein for decades, before, ironically, becoming a victim after his overthrow. Several studies have been done regarding the medical anomalies in Iraq after the Gulf War, both by Iraqi scientists and foreigners working independently or in conjunction with each other.

That phrase "medical anomalies" is so sterile, isn't it? Hidden under that phrase is a terrible reality of human suffering.

2:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rose,
I am so sorry to hear of your friend and him being sick, I pray that he can get the help he needs. I can understand your pain , I am the youth director at my church and one of my kids has cancer and isn't expected to make it. He is only 16 years old and his life is just starting. I see him in class and I know that one of these days he isn't going to be there. It's just frightening. Rose I thank you so much for your honesty and it is so nice to listen to you and be able to put a real face with real emotions with what is happening there. You say whatever you feel on here and we will listen. Some of us will agree, Some of us will not. It doesn't make either one of us right or wrong it just makes us who we are.

Prayers and Love,
RedHead in Colorado

4:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, I know a redhead from Colorado, who just got married in Washington a couple months ago.

Anyway, other than noting that little coincidence, I just thought I'd add my warm wishes to Rose and urge her not to be put off by the grouchy types who have no patience for anything but Fox News. There's a lot of room for bloggers between Fox and al Jazeera. ;-)

10:20 PM  
Blogger rose said...

maybe some of you did not understand what I’m writing, I don’t have anything with the Americans I respect them all and I have many American friends. I’m against American policy and there is a great difference. When I decided to make this blog I wanted to show the people what wars are doing to us. I’m against wars in any way and in any place of the planet and I want to show that there is harm more than there is benefit in wars. For me I think there are many ways to spread peace and love in the world without the need to shed blood. Maybe some of you will try to mock me by asking how. I’m sure there are people specialist in policy much better than me, and please if my writings bother you that much, stop reading them.

7:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey, rose, i'm surprised you have so many american friends. where did you meet them? were they living in iraq before the war? tell.

and diogenes. i figured your nom de plume betrayed a classic education. i was wrong. diogenes was the numero uno cynic philosopher. it was he, who when asked by alexander the great what he could for him, replied, stand from between me and the sun, ie, you're interrupting my rays. where were you brought up diogenes of pumpkinland, south island, new zealand?

diogenes, i don't have access to internet. i use my electric toaster which i've wired up to a tv set. i stripped a bit of code from an old version of microsoft explorer, grafted it onto some serviceable unix and relay it via the toaster to a friend who has a computer. he calls me when he thinks i need to reply to any postings. seems to work.

rose, it's a bit early to say what benefit this war will bring. in world war one it took two years to cover a few miles of progress through trenches. and cost over two million dead. just to move kitchener's drinks cabinet a few hundred yards closer to berlin. well, perhaps there was more to it than that.

the thing is, rose, that in the west we keep seeing muslims on tv saying things like "you attack one muslim country it is like an attack against all muslims". one for all, all for one. well, that's fair enough. we take the corollary: an attack by one bunch of muslims is an attack by all muslims. so if muslims fly aircraft into our buildings we reserve the right to hammer muslims where we see fit. one for all, etc.

even though the usa and uk would like out of your godforsaken country we cannot leave now, else those who have sided with us would be murdered. so we have to stay for the time being.

1:05 PM  
Blogger Diogenes Of Pumpkintown said...

Rose, I understand what you mean. Nice thoughts, and very well said. :)

7:05 PM  
Blogger Diogenes Of Pumpkintown said...

"the thing is, rose, that in the west we keep seeing muslims on tv saying things like "you attack one muslim country it is like an attack against all muslims". one for all, all for one. well, that's fair enough. we take the corollary: an attack by one bunch of muslims is an attack by all muslims. so if muslims fly aircraft into our buildings we reserve the right to hammer muslims where we see fit. one for all, etc."

That is the most stupidly evil thing I have read in a long time.

Why do you come onto Rose's blog to write such sick garbage?

Rose is a nice, thoughtful human being. You, on the other hand, are demented trash.

7:07 PM  
Blogger Sue in Virginia USA said...

Dear Rose,

I have been reading your blog for many weeks without writing my own posts. I have noticed the insensitive and argumentative posts that appear among the many supportive messages you receive. I hope you can ignore those hurtful messages--even delete them if necessary--so they will not add to your troubles. Your world has turned upside down and every day is full of concern for yourself, your family, friends and the future. I feel sad that you must deal with those (living in safety far away from guns, bombs and confusion) that cannot take the time to understand what you are experiencing during this frightening time in your country. I think of you often during my day.

May I ask you, please tell us more about your little daughter. It will change the topic from politics and be of interest to the women that visit your blog.

Sue

10:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hello rose,

well rose, there you have it from sue - the suggestion that if the reponse on your "comments" page causes you distress then "delete it if necessary". sweep it under the carpet. i am not quite sure how this will relieve your distress at having read it, but it's a good fascist suggestion on how to deal with it. in the new iraq you must shun fascists. they cause nothing but problems.

personally i cannot see what "stupidly evil" was said by
the anonymous poster beforehand. "demented trash." diogenes, these are stong words, not those normally used by a philosopher such as whose name you assume.

"i fly boeing 757 into western architectural icon and kill several thousand people because i am muslim and you are kafir".

so far so good.

"i fly b52 and rubble your cities because....well...that's the way it's gonna be, if your terrorists do as described above. c'est life, as they say in france.

here's wishing you the best, rose.

aristotle

2:00 PM  
Blogger Diogenes Of Pumpkintown said...

Anonymous, you wrote:
[well rose, there you have it from sue - the suggestion that if the reponse on your "comments" page causes you distress then "delete it if necessary". sweep it under the carpet. i am not quite sure how this will relieve your distress at having read it, but it's a good fascist suggestion on how to deal with it.]

Oh, please. Rose is not some government. She is not forcing some lifestyle upon you, or forcing you to do anything at all. You don't have some right to post offensive crap on her blog. She is allowing you the privilege of posting comments on her blog. It is just a privilege she is granting you, for as long as she chooses to do so and no longer than that. It is not some right you have.

Would you claim it was fascism for a homeowner to tell a guest who is being rude and obnoxious to leave? Would you be that silly? Same situation here. This is Rose's blog, and we are her guests in her blog only so long as she allows us to be so.

Anonymous also wrote:

[personally i cannot see what "stupidly evil" was said by the anonymous poster beforehand.]

You don't eh? Let me spell it out for you. You said this:
[an attack by one bunch of muslims is an attack by all muslims. so if muslims fly aircraft into our buildings we reserve the right to hammer muslims where we see fit.]

You think this is a reasonable position? You think it makes sense to treat an attack by a handful of Muslims as if it were an attack by one billion Muslims? You think being attacked by a Muslim gives you the right to go attack any other Muslim, whether they had anything to do with the attack or not?

If you can't see the utter immoral stupidity of this line of thinking, perhaps it would help you to consider if someone were to say the same thing about your religion or nationality, whatever it may be. The next time any single individual of your religion or nationality does something wrong, lets hold ALL of you responsible for it, eh? Let's just pretend that you aren't individual human beings, but all the same, so that the guilt of one means the guilt of all of you. And then lets punish all of you accordingly.

You like that idea? You think that is either sensible or moral?

6:56 PM  
Blogger Tharpa said...

Small point about Saddam Hussein and chemical weapons: I read a while back that a) the US sold him most of the stuff when we were friends and b) the story of him gassing the Kurds is pure fiction. The gas used was of the type only used by Iranian armed forces at the time.

Of course both the above points could be incorrect. None of us knows, and those who do know for sure don't tell in the news.

Which is why Rose's personal point of view is so valuable and moving. Ultimately, it all boils down to our own experience which is direct and real. So getting all heated up about whether Saddam was pure evil and the Americans pure goodness or vica versa is a waste of time. Meanwhile, no matter who is to blame, Iraqis are suffering enormously and with little hope for things getting better. That is real. And it is sad too, despite the courage and goodness she displays in her writing and no doubt many of her friends and neighbours.

War is a very bad business, no two ways about it.

Keep it up, Rose, your blog is valuable. It reminds us that human beings are involved in all this, not just issues and arguments!

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